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June 11, 2009

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David J. West

"Without the blessing of the church, it would never really be a Mormon novel – "

That has to be one of the most assinine statements I have ever heard on the subject of LDS lit.

I'm glad you mentioned the Alvin Maker books, I thought I was alone in liking them more than Enders Game.

"In the future, I'm sure LDS writers will produce wonderful novels."

How convienent, he can be disproved after he's dead apparently.


Th.

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!!!!!

I cannot accept this moronic reasoning. It makes no sense, none at all. This man knows nothing about the writing of fiction, that much is clear.

adamf

"Without the blessing of the church, it would never really be a Mormon novel – "

Haha, no wonder Mormon Doctrine was struck down. ;)

I agree with your thoughts here. I don't see why it wouldn't work. Fiction is quoted all the time even in GenCon.

Th.

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We see this regularly. And I think William might be right about what the Mormon Artist's task is, now, today.

S.P. Bailey

Johnston is all kinds of wrong. I started writing a comment, and it got out of control. What my comment became.

Dallas

Cool. Just read it.

JulieW8

I suppose it goes back to the defining "Mormon novel." A novel written by a Mormon? A card-carrying Mormon? A novel written by a Mormon that includes Mormon life? That would let out OSC, wouldn't it?

Here's my own bit of prediction - Johnston seems inclined to use such a narrow definition of what constitutes a Mormon novel that he has, in fact, insured his own prediction. If a "Mormon novel" is written by a card-carrying Mormon whose novel promotes the faith while ignoring the emotional context of faith and avoid any negative brushes - he's right, there will never be one. The thing that makes "Catholic" novels compelling is not that they are about Catholicism, but about the emotional issues of faith, godliness and worldliness, and the shortcomings of God's work being administered by mortals.

Moriah Jovan

The Great Mormon Novel will serve to put our customs, jargon, and humanity out on display for the world to become as accustomed to us as it is to Catholicism and Judaism.

It will *not* be aimed at church members (on whatever sliding scale of righteousness). It'll be aimed at everyone BUT them.

Th.

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Crap. My embedded links too. No html here?

Only one hasn't already been mentioned:

http://thmazing.blogspot.com/2007/04/that-kind-of-movie-svithe.html

Jeremy

Great Mormon Novel already written.

Levi Peterson's _Backslider_.

Sooner or later "Cowboy Jesus" will get the attention he deserves from the wider literary world.

David Murdoch

I don't know very much about this topic, but a catholic writer who wrote heretical statements in their literature and who knew that they were rejecting catholic doctrine, wouldn't 'remain in the bosom of the church' either.

God Bless,

Wm Morris

“the Great Mormon Novel is a dream held by literary types in the church”

I think Johnston is sort of right here, but I'd like to see some documentation other than this assertion (of course, newspaper columnist don't *do* citation). It seems to me that the Great Mormon Novel is not a dream held by literary types, but rather a dream held by those who are in the adolescence of their thinking about Mormon culture. That is what is the Great Mormon Novel other than a box to check off so we can be as cool as other people's -- along with the Great Mormon Quarterback and the Great Mormon Politician and the Great Mormon Golfer and the Great Mormon Businessman and the Great Mormon Director, etc. etc.

As Dallas alludes to, the real literary types have a much more conflicted, nuance and complex view of literary production and reception and canon formation.

Also: Wallace Stegner said what he said because he was a product of 20th century American Western Regionalism with its emphasis on outsiders and heretics. But you know what -- we already had our Lost Generation, which produced some pretty Great novels by the way, and since culture has already gone through post-modernism and digested it and co-opted it, it seems to me that the Great Mormon Novel as it were is more likely going to be a Mormon turning a critical eye towards American culture e.g. a post-colonialist (because let's forget we were colonized) approach.

Jared

Thanks for the great post. The arguments sound incredibly similar to the debates about Mormon filmmaking, where a lot of narrow-minded and pretentious folks sit around saying it can't be done.

Maybe it's just the rebellious part of me that hears statements like that and wants to disprove them, but my testimony of the truthfulness of the gospel actually has even greater force in encouraging me to fight against the pricks (pun intended).

Anyone who begins to say that our testimonies are only best expressed when we're dressed as proselytizing missionaries or standing at the pulpit on sundays has a surprisingly limited view of how God expects us to use the talents we are given.

Those who argue that any form of storytelling created by the devout would be stripped of struggle, doubt and sin has never met a truly devout member of any faith: one who has struggled against the forces of the natural man to reconcile their soul with the demands of a God who expects better of them.

Those devout members, in my humble opinion, have profound and complex stories to tell, and ones that express a more accessibly human worldview and more profound sense of redemption and God's love for his children.

Anyway, I'll wrap up my soapboxing and thank you again for continuing the debate

(for more debates on the validity of mormon storytelling, you should check out these posts:

http://www.twas-brillig.com/2009/06/01/just-dont-scream/

and the subsequent post:

http://www.twas-brillig.com/2009/06/04/controvversee/

Jared

Some interesting insights into the formal and doctrinal elements in Jer3miah that seem to be spurring such a fascinating debate:

http://gideonburton.typepad.com/gideon_burtons_blog/2009/06/jer3miah.html

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